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  • November 24th 2023

    From Cacophony to Symphony: The Harmonious Interplay of Animal Cognition and Communication with Dr. Tecumseh Fitch

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  • November 5th 2023
    Laura Buck with a Schematic of her research being done at Kyoto University

    Unraveling the Secrets of Cold Adaptation and Hybridization in Primates with Evolutionary Anthropologist Dr. Laura Buck

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  • October 25th 2023
    urban macaques on motorbike (left) and primatologist Paula Pebsworth (right)

    Exploring Human-Primate Coexistence with Dr. Paula Pebsworth: A Journey from the Vineyards of Napa Valley to the Wilds of Africa, Asia and Beyond

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  • September 27th 2023

    Change: Primate Populations in an Anthropogenic World with Primatologist and Conservation Biologist Dr. Colin Chapman

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  • September 27th 2023

    Understanding the Ins and Outs of Tool Use in Capuchin Monkeys with Professor Patricia Izar

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  • August 8th 2023
    Reggie and undergraduate students at Arashiyama, Kyoto, Japan

    Exploring Comparative Primate Cognition with Dr. Reggie Gazes and Dr. Ikuma Adachi

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  • July 20th 2023

    From Gorillas to Elephants: Dr. Ian Redmond on Wildlife Conservation in Africa

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  • July 19th 2023

    The PrimateCast 83: Journey into the Wild with The Orangutan Conservation Project's Leif Cocks

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  • July 19th 2023

    The PrimateCast Origins (82): Tarzan meets Darwin in conservation and evolution with conservationist and evolutionary biologist Dr. Fred Bercovitch

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  • June 9th 2023

    The PrimateCast 81: Born Free USA's Devan Schowe on animal advocacy, ethics, welfare and conservation in the USA

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  • April 21st 2023

    The PrimateCast Origins (80): Walking with gorillas and Dr. Gladys Kalema-Zikusoka, Uganda's first wildlife veterinarian

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  • March 29th 2023

    The PrimateCast 79: Dr. Tesla Monson on what teeth can tell us about the life histories and behavior of extinct species (and cool science communication!)

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The PrimateCast Origins (77): A Conversation with Distinguished Professor Emeritus Dr. Frans de Waal

January 27th 2023
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This episode is from our International Primatology Lecture Series: Past, Present and Future Perspectives of the Field, with esteemed primatologist and best-selling author Dr. Frans de Waal

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A Conversation about animal cognition and emotions, anthropomorphism versus anthropodenial, and the power of storytelling in science with distinguished Professor Emeritus Dr. Frans de Waal

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January 26, 2023

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This episode of The PrimateCast: Origins is taken from CICASP's International Primatology Lecture Series: Past, Present and Future Perspectives of the Field.

The IPLS is dedicated to providing origin stories told by experienced researchers in primatology and related fields. The lectures are conducted via Zoom within our CICASP Seminar in Science Communication for graduate students of our program at Kyoto University. We are releasing the audio from these lectures right here on The PrimateCast: Origins.

For anyone interested in viewing the video versions of these lectures, head over to the CICASP TV YouTube channel, where you can also watch them live as we stream our Zoom feeds there.

Unlike our normal format for these lectures, in which our guests normally provide us with an origin story lecture, we instead ran IPLS 18 as an interview with Distinguished Professor Emeritus Dr. Frans de Waal. Frans almost needs no introduction, but you can find out more about him through some links to Emory University here and here, and on his Wikipedia page here. 
 
The interview was conducted by Dr. Michael Huffman and yours truly, with a smattering of questions from participants, including students and postdoctoral researchers affiliated with Kyoto University’s program in primatology and wildlife science.

The conversation was recorded on Wednesday, January 18, 2023.

In the interview, we talk about:

  • his book Chimpanzee Politics and communicating science and writing popular books
  • English, writing and storytelling as a non-native English speaker, and extending rigorous scientific research into popular science prose
  • the responsibility of scientists to communicate their findings when they relate to society and how their ideas might be coopted for certain agendas end users may have - think Konrad Lorenz falling in with eugenicists or Richard Dawkins calling us 'slaves to our genes'
  • primate culture and empathy for Japanese primatology
  • how our views of the pillars of primate society have evolved from competition, aggression, dominance and conflict to peacemaking, conflict resolution and cooperation
  • drawing the line between anthropomorphism and anthropodenial, and what components of animal cognition and emotion overlap with those of humans
  • how measuring emotions in animals is not the same thing as understanding their 'feelings', for example grief, which was asked about by an audience member
  • and much, much more!

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